tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post3493401045607194308..comments2024-03-09T04:57:25.956+00:00Comments on HardKnott Dave's blog about stuff: FREE of TIE tenancyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-17468025602195636522009-01-25T19:35:00.000+00:002009-01-25T19:35:00.000+00:00Update on lease vrs. tenancyEven Discovery Pub Co....Update on lease vrs. tenancy<BR/><BR/>Even Discovery Pub Co. aren't sure. On the front of the card it says "Free of tie tenancy" and on the back it states that the pubs are offered "for lease on a free of tie basis"<BR/><BR/>So there, that's my excuse.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-2697226521346463282009-01-25T10:09:00.000+00:002009-01-25T10:09:00.000+00:00Thank's for the reminder Jeff, I really need to so...Thank's for the reminder Jeff, I really need to sort myself out on that one.<BR/><BR/>I have still to research the detail on these particular offers. I'd go to to the open day, but I've got a pub top put back together.<BR/><BR/>You are right that some tied pubs have good guest beers. That can make them acceptable from a beer range perspective. My real interest though is the business model for the licensee, which I think in all but the best pubs is financially flawed. I hope yours has good enough turnover, I suspect it has. The two mentioned here I doubt have sufficient turnover to work freehold, left alone under any other model.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-5642286740968969702009-01-24T17:34:00.000+00:002009-01-24T17:34:00.000+00:00Dave, untied tenancies are very uncommon, untied l...Dave, untied tenancies are very uncommon, untied leases less so. There's a big difference between the two, remember.<BR/><BR/>As you say, tied pubs rarely sell unusual beers or seasonal ales - but some do, mine included. We're on Punch's Finest Cask scheme which means that in addition the normal list, I get to choose from a list of 25-35 micro and seasonal ales. This selection changes every quarter. The pubco makes a lower margin as they aren't buying bulk, but they recognise that allowing you a better selection will drive up volume.Stonchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07001578598975666535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-44562697394904069352009-01-23T09:47:00.000+00:002009-01-23T09:47:00.000+00:00The VOID doesn't go over the gents, but some cabli...The VOID doesn't go over the gents, but some cabling involved with the cellar does. It's all spooky; it's just a matter of degrees...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-53196741563007107762009-01-22T16:36:00.000+00:002009-01-22T16:36:00.000+00:00THE VOID doesn't extend over to the Gents, does it...THE VOID doesn't extend over to the Gents, does it? I remember that corner being somewhat spooky.Brewers Union Local 180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05786517873195170945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-64730055708601369652009-01-22T11:57:00.000+00:002009-01-22T11:57:00.000+00:00Ignore my last comment, being a retard. Sorry.Ignore my last comment, being a retard. Sorry.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-54213126304264391682009-01-22T10:01:00.000+00:002009-01-22T10:01:00.000+00:00I had a quick look at the website on those cards, ...I had a quick look at the website on those cards, and from what I can see they are basically pushing Heineken products, which if I remember rightly is pretty much what S&N UK is. Indeed on the FAQ they describe the lease as a "tied lease" with the following terms:<BR/><BR/>"All new Discovery leases are fully tied for draught and packaged beers, lagers, stouts and ciders, as well as alcopops and premium packaged spirits. That is, as part of our lease agreement, the lessee undertakes to purchase all of these products exclusively from Scottish & Newcastle, whilst we, in return, offer a range of discounts which will be confirmed within the agreement."<BR/><BR/>I fear they are playing semantics.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-38278837703649991512009-01-22T01:30:00.000+00:002009-01-22T01:30:00.000+00:00It's not common for a tied pub to sell seasonal or...It's not common for a tied pub to sell seasonal or unusual stuff, but it can happen.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-66999677638652909152009-01-22T01:11:00.000+00:002009-01-22T01:11:00.000+00:00My local S&N pub does Theakstons. I like thei...My local S&N pub does Theakstons. I like their beer but had a falling out with the managment (he serves crap beer and wouldn't believe it) so I'm now up at an Enterprise Inns place. I would like a pub that served seasonal / unusual stuff though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com