tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post7687687961971327943..comments2024-03-09T04:57:25.956+00:00Comments on HardKnott Dave's blog about stuff: Group Think, Port of ManAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-86856061420479939852010-01-29T13:25:05.289+00:002010-01-29T13:25:05.289+00:00Kristy,
As Tandleman says, excellent points which...Kristy,<br /><br />As Tandleman says, excellent points which are hard to disagree with.<br /><br />I have said before on Fuggled that as long as BrewDog continue to make good beer then I am happy to buy their products and indulge (I would be happier if more of their range got to this part of Virginia mind). <br /><br />Still, I wonder how many people have got to the point of seeing BrewDog in the media and thinking "oh god, what have they done this time?" rather than being excited about a beer they are producing?Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-79146554050111701882010-01-29T13:24:11.065+00:002010-01-29T13:24:11.065+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-38475707955758914462010-01-28T23:14:17.212+00:002010-01-28T23:14:17.212+00:00Well of course if you take the view - as I do real...Well of course if you take the view - as I do really - that the Portman Group are largely there to defend big brewers, Barm is right, but Kristy has the right logic in her argument about Brew Dog and probably better them (Portman) than the dead hand of an anti booze government.<br /><br />Of course the point is moot because big brewers wouldn't do what Brew Dog did. The argument becomes a little circular at this point, but boils down to legislation or an industry lead self policing.<br /><br />Take your pick.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-32904661884128175152010-01-28T22:45:23.453+00:002010-01-28T22:45:23.453+00:00I couldn't disagree more. Crappy products rema...I couldn't disagree more. Crappy products remain crappy products whether they are marketed "responsibly" or not. The Portman Group exists to whitewash crappy products. If you have a product which is so bland and uninteresting that its only use is to get you drunk, is it responsible to market it at all?Rob Sterowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870233673933087794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-15277405199087702122010-01-28T21:14:14.104+00:002010-01-28T21:14:14.104+00:00Excellent points from Kristy which are hard to dis...Excellent points from Kristy which are hard to disagree with.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-32783993442406996052010-01-28T20:07:57.586+00:002010-01-28T20:07:57.586+00:00I always do ;o)I always do ;o)Kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02641030168757305205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-16081166591672770212010-01-28T19:57:20.729+00:002010-01-28T19:57:20.729+00:00Thanks Kristy, you've filled in the bits of wh...Thanks Kristy, you've filled in the bits of what you said and I had forgotten. You said all that on Saturday and it must have had an impact but I just couldn't remember the actual words.<br /><br />If I remember rightly you behaved responsibly and remained coherent all night, really.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-62583852873993430682010-01-28T19:44:03.780+00:002010-01-28T19:44:03.780+00:00I feel very proud to be a muse for this post - and...I feel very proud to be a muse for this post - and even prouder I was still capable of what sounds like intelligent conversation at that time in the proceedings!! <br /><br />There's two points for me - one the role of Portman and two how Brewdog behave (sorry Al and Tandleman!!). <br /><br />Brewdog have clearly adopted a strategy of courting publicity via controversy which to me is unsustainable in the long term as a marketing tool, which I think they've learnt to their cost in the reaction to their own Tokyo* stunt. The fact is you poke a dog with a stick enough times and it's gonna bite and continually baiting Portman is doing them no favours - they should concentrate on brewing beer.<br /><br />Portman might not be perfect but their guidelines are very clear and they are happy to advise upfront so there is no excuse for being in breach of their regulations if you are interested in promoting alcohol responsibly. Interesting that the wording on Tokyo* is seen as tongue-in-cheek - would we feel the same if it was on a bottle of Smirnoff Ice? No and we shouldn't feel different about Brewdog, there are lots of ways you can market alcohol in a fun, irreverent way and still be compliant. They may be small today and there may be publicans like Dave selling it responsibly but when I ran a bar I was one of the first to take Smirnoff Ice as part of it's trial launch, when it was still tiny and when we sold it for a huge premium so would that make it ok to have had irresponsible wording then - at what point would you have to change?? <br /><br />If we can't work with Portman and be responsible as a drinks industry the alternative is imposed regulation which, as the HSE has laid out, would include regulations around social media and social network sites which could well see the end of blogs like this , suddenly Portman might not be so bad afterallKristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02641030168757305205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-13533862080361146532010-01-28T19:00:47.775+00:002010-01-28T19:00:47.775+00:00Cant say i saw any legs Dave ;o)Cant say i saw any legs Dave ;o)BeerReviewsAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549567405003804994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-70320781606878387952010-01-28T16:37:39.363+00:002010-01-28T16:37:39.363+00:00Al, don't worry, I took it all in the spirit t...Al, don't worry, I took it all in the spirit that it was meant. Anyway, I've stop sulking already......Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-57313800506764086192010-01-28T16:33:50.392+00:002010-01-28T16:33:50.392+00:00Dave,
Didn't mean any disrespect to the artic...Dave,<br /><br />Didn't mean any disrespect to the article, it was excellent as ever.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-54440021076855826442010-01-28T15:46:58.806+00:002010-01-28T15:46:58.806+00:00Andy, even in my state I found that street a littl...Andy, even in my state I found that street a little oppressive. But did you notice all the legs? It's a good job Ann was there to keep me under-control..... scantily clad women should be banned, gives dirty old men like me all the wrong ideas....<br /><br />Mental, Oscar Wilde eh? I didn't know that.<br /><br />Barry, indeed, that is a good point. I do wonder if the issue would have occurred at all if BrewDog had kept quiet.<br /><br />Al and Tandleman, OK, I'll try......[goes into the corner and sulks]Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-28154048577604521642010-01-28T15:33:15.717+00:002010-01-28T15:33:15.717+00:00VA - Seconded - not that the piece isn't good ...VA - Seconded - not that the piece isn't good btw.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-82573522297364822392010-01-28T14:01:02.870+00:002010-01-28T14:01:02.870+00:00Just a point of order question I suppose, but is t...Just a point of order question I suppose, but is there any chance we can move on from the whole BrewDog vs Portman Group side show and get back to the beer?Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-30167002217084752172010-01-28T12:47:11.752+00:002010-01-28T12:47:11.752+00:00While I agree that the text on the Tokyo* label sh...While I agree that the text on the Tokyo* label should be taken in context (I like the tongue-in-cheek stuff on BrewDog labels!), and really the reaction was excessive, you fail to mention that it was BrewDog who complained about their own text. If they hadn't, would there have been any kerfuffle about it? <br /><br />Sure, the text itself takes the piss, but then that group were goaded into action by a complaint; that's what they do I suppose. I still think it was silly to complain about their own beer, so when you say "righteous indignation", I'd say it was the reaction they wanted.<br /><br />Is the blog post they made admitting to writing the complaint still missing from their site?Barry Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07367655129107699025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-49721495832201207572010-01-28T12:44:27.849+00:002010-01-28T12:44:27.849+00:00"Everything in moderation, including moderati..."Everything in moderation, including moderation itself." As you say, a joke. And a paraphrase of Oscar Wilde. Almost erudite. Those Brewdog's eh?mentaldentalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226160741245530097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-36048284717282571842010-01-28T12:26:00.169+00:002010-01-28T12:26:00.169+00:00Intresting stuff as always Dave, That street with ...Intresting stuff as always Dave, That street with the "kebab" shop on was packed full of late night revellers...some in a much worse for wear state than others, i wonder how many of them had supped the likes of Tokyo* and Skullsplitter and how many drank some of the promotions that only city centre pubs do, like Jager bombs and cheap measures.BeerReviewsAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549567405003804994noreply@blogger.com