tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post5937771311404564948..comments2024-03-09T04:57:25.956+00:00Comments on HardKnott Dave's blog about stuff: Similar differencesAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-45603134303090640622008-12-19T18:10:00.000+00:002008-12-19T18:10:00.000+00:00I think the best pub models here are brewers like ...I think the best pub models here are brewers like Copper Dragon & Ossett. They have some great pubs, brew some cracking beer AND sell guest beers. I can't see the logic of limiting them (or others) to 10 pubs. As I've said previously, that would leave many drinkers in beer deserts-something I don't wish to see. Hence I shall fight to keep some form of the tie.Sat In A Pubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123038980796000837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-12759301019731082392008-12-18T00:50:00.000+00:002008-12-18T00:50:00.000+00:00Erlangernick,Any comments about US law, be it fede...Erlangernick,<BR/><BR/>Any comments about US law, be it federal or state are completely from information Ted has given me - If I'm wrong it's his fault (but don't be too hard on him, it's his birthday)<BR/><BR/>About big Americans, yes, Ted has pointed out that not all are a nice as Origonians, I can only go off experience. My current experience is very good.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-62339103291675123442008-12-18T00:05:00.000+00:002008-12-18T00:05:00.000+00:00I'm not in the business, nor have I been, and I ma...I'm not in the business, nor have I been, and I may only be talking out my Arsch, but I think your point about the *federal* law might be off. There may be no such federal law. (If it matters.) As with so many things, such laws vary by state.<BR/><BR/>And the bit about Yanks not being as "big" as one would think...if "big" is a polite euphamism for "McDonalds-fed fat", then don't forget that you're in the most active, outdoorsey corner of the US. I can point you to some locales in the midwest where you won't go a day without encountering a majority of the morbidly obese.Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-85675095365878927372008-12-17T09:02:00.000+00:002008-12-17T09:02:00.000+00:00Dave, Perhaps a subtle distinction needs to be mad...Dave, <BR/><BR/>Perhaps a subtle distinction needs to be made between a micro-brewery and a brewpub.<BR/><BR/>To my mind a brewpub should be free to sell any extra product on the open market, whether that would be bottled, cask or keg. I don't think it would be practicable for a brewpub to take on any more than one other pub.<BR/><BR/>Micro-breweries on the other hand should be allowed a limited pub estate, as you say, perhaps 10 pubs, but the licensee must be allowed freedom to have other beers as well as the micro-brewery's. Something along the Everard's line is what I am thinking here.<BR/><BR/>Pubcos should in my opinion be broken up.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-2516868293435111332008-12-16T19:19:00.000+00:002008-12-16T19:19:00.000+00:00Velky Al,Fundamentally I agree all pub should be f...Velky Al,<BR/><BR/>Fundamentally I agree all pub should be free houses. I don't think it can happen in any less than say 10 years and perhaps more. The shock to the whole industry would be too much. <BR/><BR/>A question though: How many pubs could a microbrewery own before the pubs cease to be free houses? 2? 10? no more I think.<BR/><BR/>Most people here who care about beer would like to see the wholesaler thing changed but retain the limit of 2 pubs owned by any one brewery.<BR/><BR/>The issue of corruption, which I don't think is too strong a word to use, controlling the wholesalers is of concern.<BR/><BR/>In the UK you need no license to wholesale alcohol providing it is duty paid. You must not retail without a license of course.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-80713818044015399602008-12-16T09:46:00.000+00:002008-12-16T09:46:00.000+00:00The problem in the US is that the laws vary by sta...The problem in the US is that the laws vary by state. Licenses are required to wholesale but getting one depends on political patronage and big money, so much so that some states suffer an anti-competitive system possibly worse than the tie. (BTW it's where John McCain's wifes' family fortune was made, Hensley & Co.)Jeff Pickthallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06343140031285101096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-1059924015573699742008-12-16T06:27:00.000+00:002008-12-16T06:27:00.000+00:00The major weakness of the American system is that ...The major weakness of the American system is that by brewers being unable to sell directly to the pubs it creates a system whereby the bigger breweries can effecting "buy" the wholesaler by offering better kick-backs and incentives.<BR/><BR/>I am starting to think that all pubs should be free houses.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.com