tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post5747001376443710358..comments2024-03-09T04:57:25.956+00:00Comments on HardKnott Dave's blog about stuff: Policing alcohol by the popular voteAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-31476390732637362212013-01-13T14:14:57.338+00:002013-01-13T14:14:57.338+00:00We didn't sack leaders of political parties wh...We didn't sack leaders of political parties when their MPs were found with their noses deep in the expenses trough, so why should licensees be deprived of their livelihoods, if only for 3 days, if one of their staff serve an underage drinker?Neville Grundyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923209266005338452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-40181996411105365212013-01-12T09:45:52.613+00:002013-01-12T09:45:52.613+00:00@Phil, you may call it recent. I gather the origi...@Phil, you may call it recent. I gather the <b>original</b> police commissions were highly various, some elected some co-opting. Local worthies for the most part. StringersBeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12573068197944669997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-49520084028767385652013-01-11T23:52:02.496+00:002013-01-11T23:52:02.496+00:00Originally urban police forces were accountable di...Originally urban police forces were accountable directly to the local council, which obviously was generally run by a political party. The idea that the control of the police should be apolitical is a very recent one - it was actually a Tory reform, aimed at stopping all those nasty socialists meddling in police business.<br /><br />Apparently that's not so much of a danger now.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-46164784553589006142013-01-11T20:54:00.210+00:002013-01-11T20:54:00.210+00:00Correction LibDems were after elected authorities ...Correction LibDems were after elected authorities - I read.<br /><br />The po-lice were responsible to an Authority which included Local gov members (elected) and to the Home Office, i.e. central gov (elected), but the point (?) of the system was to have the police responsive (yeah) and accountable (huh) without being under <b>political</b> control. <br /><br />Whatever, I stand by the point that Mr Rhodes doesn't really have much of a mandate to do anything apart from ensuring things tick over as they are. StringersBeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12573068197944669997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-30668922366895548832013-01-11T19:55:06.970+00:002013-01-11T19:55:06.970+00:00We have plenty of "test purchase" decoys...We have plenty of "test purchase" decoys in this country too. IMV such tactics should only be used if there is <i>prima facie</i> evidence that underage sales are already routinely taking place.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-18857995851460110502013-01-11T19:37:28.570+00:002013-01-11T19:37:28.570+00:00The thing about the P&CCs is that they replace...The thing about the P&CCs is that they replaced an unelected body (the appointed Police Authority), which itself replaced an elected body (the <b>elected</b> Police Authority), which replaced another elected body (the local council - yes, the police used to be accountable to the council). Having the police accountable to somebody elected isn't a new idea & it's not obviously a bad idea. Whether P&CCs deliver anything like democratic accountability is another question.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-30513835330843103152013-01-11T18:05:36.888+00:002013-01-11T18:05:36.888+00:00I would pick the 72 hour closure over the $2000 fi...I would pick the 72 hour closure over the $2000 fine that we would get to enjoy, were we to serve a minor. They even try to trick is with decoys.Brewers Union Local 180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05786517873195170945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2446074078505386356.post-84116917178163874152013-01-11T17:07:20.325+00:002013-01-11T17:07:20.325+00:00I didn't vote for the Po&Crim Commisionnai...I didn't vote for the Po&Crim Commisionnaires at the 2010 general election (They were in Tory & LibDem manifestos) so I'm not going to vote for one now am I? Personally, I think it's a bit cheeky for some bloke who got votes from less than 9% of the electorate. Not a very popular vote.StringersBeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12573068197944669997noreply@blogger.com